Test af amerikansk G25. (Chad Billheimer!)
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Emne: Test af amerikansk G25. (Chad Billheimer!)
Skrevet af: Firebird
Emne: Test af amerikansk G25. (Chad Billheimer!)
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 09:34
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=18302943&postcount=325
I recently had the opportunity to
check out the new Panasonic G25 along with the S2 at Cleveland Plasma. I
was impressed with Panasonic's models last year, after they got the THX
color decoding issue fixed. I continue to hear rumors about Panasonic
hiring Pioneer's techs and using Kuro technology, but for now, the V10
is doing a good job holding us over. Could the G25 either bring us one
step closer to the mighty Kuro, or at least give equivalent performance
to the V10 at a lower cost?
One thing I noticed right away, before even turning the G25 on, is that
the screen looks nice and dark. The feature list proudly
includes what Panasonic calls "infinite black", and I have to say it
does an outstanding job staying black in bright rooms. Because it's so
dark, it does a good job of muting reflections. It is still possible to
see glare in the G25's screen in a bright room, but it's much less
distracting than I normally expect from a plasma. When it's turned on,
the G25's blacks are dark for a plasma, but definitely not infinite
black. The G25 does not have the
internal reflection that causes the odd "double image" look on the V10
when looking from off axis. While I always felt that effect was more of
a curiosity than a serious issue on the V10, nevertheless it's good
that the G25 seems to have been engineered without the optical gap that
caused it in other models.
The G25 is THX certified, so instead of a cinema mode there is THX mode.
THX mode's color gamut is, by design, much closer to the HDTV standard
than the other modes (and most other TVs). With the exception of the
previously mentioned THX issue that was resolved by Panasonic last year,
I have been a big fan of THX modes in most displays because of the
natural color and detail. However, light output has always been the
limiting factor: THX modes have had intentionally limited light output,
with the idea being that if you truly care about an accurate picture,
you'll be watching it in a dark room. I usually end up calibrating THX
as a night mode, and then using custom mode for brighter daytime
viewing. While the color isn't quite as accurate in custom mode, it can
look much more acceptable when the TV isn't the only source of light in
the room.
The G25 has an option for displaying a 1080P/24 signal at either 48 Hz
or the conventional 60 Hz. 48 Hz has some advantages in theory, but I
couldn't get past the severe flicker I saw with it engaged.
I began by measuring the performance in various modes as they come from
the factory. I noticed right away that standard mode had an
unacceptable graininess to the image. Attachments 1-3 show the
performance in custom, standard, and THX. Custom and standard show
severe problems with gamma and other more typical problems. THX mode
looked good, though it needs calibration for the white balance to avoid
looking a little drab and off-white. THX mode put out a surprisingly
strong 46 fL of light with a small 100% white window, which is much
higher than I routinely get from THX modes in other displays. Also, the
contrast was set to 60 in THX mode, meaning that there is a chance even
higher light output could be possible.
As I began calibrating THX mode, I found that yes, it was possible to
get gloriously bright images even in THX mode on the G25! This is the
first THX certified plasma I have worked with to allow such flexibility,
and it's a very nice treat. Taking the contrast up to 68 brought the
light output up to 56 fL, which allowed me to match it's peak brightness
to the S2 sitting beside it. It appeared to have room to go higher if
desired with minimal to no consequences like white crush or gamma
issues.
Having finished the THX mode calibration in the service menu, I moved on
to custom mode. Now that THX is bright enough for a typical room,
there is less need for separate day and night modes, but it would still
be nice to have an alternative that is fairly accurate. Unfortunately,
no matter what I tried in the service menu or the advanced user menu, I
could not get custom mode's gamma to be acceptably accurate. That type
of an inaccuracy will cause a clayface or caked on makeup look on
brightly lit faces, and it will also reduce the sense of depth and
naturalness. For the best, most accurate image on the G25, THX mode
must be used.
Resolution was good with 1080P and 720P, but a little soft with 1080i.
There was a slight shadow around some lines in the sharpness test
pattern regardless of where the sharpness control was set. It looks
like the opposite of edge enhancement. I have seen this on some other
Panasonic plasmas, but not all.
ANSI contrast measured 1663:1, and black level measured .0083 fL with my
Trichromat-1 colorimeter, which is more accurate and reliable at very
low light levels than either the Chroma5 or i1Pro. The rest of the
calibration was done with the i1Pro, since it is better with everything
else besides the very dark readings.
Looking at some familiar Blu Ray material, the G25 produced a great
picture! Flesh tones were very good, though possibly just a tiny bit
redder than I normally see in THX modes. I'm splitting hairs with that
call, though. Contrast was very rich with lots of pop, and shadow
detail looked good even though the measurements suggested they were a
bit emphasized. The picture had a sense of razor sharpness and good
depth. I did get a slight impression of artificial enhancement that I
normally do not get in THX mode, but I believe that it was just due to
the fact that I had calibrated THX mode to a higher light output than is
normally possible; and higher light output, in addition to raising
contrast, can give the impression of added sharpness and detail.
Since a calibrated S2 was sitting right beside the G25, I was able to
make comparisons between the two. Though I couldn't have them both on at
the same time, I was able to switch from one to the other quickly. Room
lighting was dark, and I used demo material from DVE and The Dark
Knight Blu Rays. Both displays were calibrated to the same light output
with a 100% white window.
With both sets turned off and the lights on, the S2's screen looked
significantly milkier. The S2 picked up more visible reflection as a
result. It was much harder to see my reflection in the G25 than in the
S2.
Image quality was good on both, but had two very different perspectives.
The S2's color was pleasing but less rich; the G25's colors looked more
like how I know that material to look on reference grade displays.
The G25 looked more "contrasty", slightly richer, and slightly sharper.
The S2, in comparison, looked very good but a little less exciting.
There were a few occasions where I thought I detected some flashlighting
or pumping in the G25, but not the S2. My overall impression was that
the G25 is much more the Videophile's TV; it's accurate, and if that
accuracy shows up flaws in the picture chain, that's the price you pay
for having such a revealing display. On the other hand, the S2 is much
more Everyman's TV; it's pleasant, looks very good, and never fails to
impress your friends and family, but it's not quite being truly faithful
to the image.
Overall I was quite impressed with the G25. The darker screen, higher
light output in THX mode, very accurate colors, and good contrast and
"pop" make it an outstanding plasma.
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Svar:
Skrevet af: Hother
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 09:37
Godt indlæg, men i min uvidenhed, hvad matcher G25 modellen i Europa?
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Skrevet af: xcardman
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 09:43
i hvertfald ikke en vt20
Så mellem en g20 og vt20. mener forskellen er nogle forskelige indstiller som THX.
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Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 09:44
Hother skrev:
Godt indlæg, men i min uvidenhed, hvad matcher G25 modellen i Europa? | Hvad sortniveauet angår f.eks? G20, da den ikke har "Pro". Lad os lige gætte på at der er andre tekniske ligheder med G20.
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Skrevet af: Hother
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 10:17
Takker
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Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 10:41
Ingen årsag. Vi er jo nogle tosser herinde som faktisk også interesserer os for sortniveauet. Når Chad Billheimer måler sortniveauet på et nyt plasma tv, går jeg ud fra at det også er noget vi kan bruge her i lille Danmark. Også selvom det ikke 100% er den samme skærm vi kan købe her hos os.
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Skrevet af: Hother
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 10:57
Skrevet af: xcardman
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 11:05
de første test og målinger på avsforum ser ikke lige frem lovende ud
men til gt5 i 3D kunne være fedt. Hvis det spil nogensinde kommer
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Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 12:40
UHA, jeg håber ikke at det ender med at du sidder og græder blod...
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Skrevet af: Hother
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 12:45
Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 13:16
Hvad gør du, hvis det viser sig at Samsungs topmodel slår VT20 på den overordnede billedkvalitet? Ja, det er sgu godt nok en grim én, hva?
Bare rolig. Jeg tror, at når det drejer sig om 3D er Panasonic bedre end Samsung. Om de også er det på 2D?
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Skrevet af: Hother
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 14:03
Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:15
Mit 32 tommers JVC CRT tv fra 2006 giver et ret stort billede på en meters afstand. Det står i soveværelset. Fedt at se tv i sengen. Jow da, der er skam reserveret plads til en større skærm i stuen. Jeg tror nu ikke at det blivet et LG, MEN, man kan jo aldrig vide... En 60 tommers for så små penge, det er godt nok fristende, altså hvis man ikke mister for meget på billedkvaliteten. Designet fejler bestemt ikke noget på deres topmodel.
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Skrevet af: xcardman
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:21
Men tror det eller ej. Men har kigget på en samsung led i deres 7 serie 2010 model.
til mit soveværelse. eller min kærste har
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Skrevet af: Speednut
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:24
xcardman skrev:
Men tror det eller ej. Men har kigget på en samsung led i deres 7 serie 2010 model.
til mit soveværelse. eller min kærste har |
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Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:33
Hæhæ, frække film i soveværelset...
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Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:39
Jaja, man kan altid knalde skylden over på hunkønnet... Det var ikke MIG, det var HENDE...
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Skrevet af: xcardman
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:43
Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:47
Det var min kæreste der kiggede på Samsung LED..., eller var det mig?
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Skrevet af: Speednut
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:51
pas på med, at se frække film i soveværelset, på en for stor skærm. Alting virker større, og inden længe begynder hun at beklage sig over, at din er for lille
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Skrevet af: Firebird
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:52
Speednut skrev:
pas på med, at se frække film i soveværelset, på en for stor skærm. Alting virker større, og inden længe begynder hun at beklage sig over, at din er for lille
| Pyyh, så er jeg sgu glad for at jeg kan hamle op med en bette skærm på 32 tommer...
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Skrevet af: xcardman
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:55
Speednut skrev:
pas på med, at se frække film i soveværelset, på en for stor skærm. Alting virker større, og inden længe begynder hun at beklage sig over, at din er for lille |
Men 40 tommer er vil nok
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Skrevet af: Speednut
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 15:56
Nu var det jo ikke naboens tv, du skulle kigge på
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Skrevet af: xcardman
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 16:05
Speednut skrev:
Nu var det jo ikke naboens tv, du skulle kigge på
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håber jeg heller ikke. for der er godt nok meget langt
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Skrevet af: xcardman
Skrevet den: 14-Marts-2010 kl. 16:07
Men håber da og se gt5 i 3D på det.
så lidt kan jeg vel få ud af det. overlever nok det valg hun betaler også selv
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