Så er det testet i Avforum.uk/com en stor test med mange Maskiner ps3 , Denon osv...
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test list :
Thought I'd better list the players we were testing with model numbers :-
Bush BD01
Sony S350
Sony PS3
Pioneer 51FD
Denon 1800BD
Pioneer LX71
Denon 2500BT
Denon 3800BD
Desvære hade de ikke panasonic med
This discussion is running in the Denon 2500 and 3800 so I thought it
may be worth starting a new thread for people who maybe interested but
are not following the Denon thread. These were my findings as reported
in the Denon thread :-
Morning Guys,
Sitting here bleary eyed after getting to bed at 1am after the shootout
and up again at 5am for work, the things we do for our love of AV
First of I'd like to say it was great to meet Ian and Phil, be gentle
with the editing please phil, I'm sitting here now not so tired as last
night thinking what I should have said instead of what came out. Also a
big thanks to Tony and Steve at TLC for giving up their time and
letting us loose with so many players, I don't think there are too many
places were you could get this opportunity and like Ian mentioned,
great hospitality.
So on with the shootout, I'd like to say that I went into this shootout
as a consumer with no real technical knowledge, I judged my findings on
quite simply what I was seeing, I'm in the market for a standalone
player after retiring my PS3 afew months back once reports starting
surfacing that it wasn't the pinnacle in picture quality. Basically the
shoot out consisted of testing the 8 players with scenes 2 and 3 from I
Robot, listening through the Pioneer Susano and viewing on a Pioneer
KRP-600M ISF Calibrated, so in theory the differences we'd see would be
due to the players solely.
I wrote loads of notes but I've left them at home so this is written
from memory but we started of with the Bush and initially we were very
impressed, considering this is only around £100 it's amazing value and
probably what the Blu Ray market needs to help make it mass market, It
produced really good fine detail but seemed to lack shadow detail and
any real depth to the overall picture, This really showed up as we were
viewing it on a 60" but if used on a smaller screen I think most people
would be very impressed.
Next up was the Sony 350, With this we all found that the picture just
seemed really soft, it just seemed to lack detail and a certain
sharpness to the image that you'd expect from Blu Ray, we didn't have
time to test Standard Def but it would have been interesting to see how
my Oppo would have compared on the same scenes in SD. Again for the
money it does a reasonable job and with the offers flying around at the
moment its hard to not recommend to people who are not chasing the
ultimate picture.
Now the infamous PS3, this I was really looking forward too, was it
just average at Blu Ray has had been reported lately, well from what I
saw I have to say yes, very much so. There is no denying as a one box
hub, ie BD palyer, Games console, Media server etc its an amazing piece
of kit, but last night we were looking solely at picture quality and
from what I saw I was quite suprised, it really lacked the fine detail,
to quite a shocking extent and compared to the Denons it really lacked
any depth, it seemed to have no real dynamic range with shadow detail
also suffering. Also on the PS3 we noticed a real difference on the
audio side, I found that it lacked any real punch or depth, whether it
was right or wrong I'm not qualified to say but it was definately
different and I found it not as pleasing.
Next we tried the denon 1800, straight away it was plain to see that we
were entering a totally different league, which you would hope when
jumping up in price that much, there was excellent fine and shadow
detail, real depth to the picture, smooth motion and it produced
excellent sound, the 1800 is an excellent performer.
Then onto the 2500, at first we struggled to see much difference to the
1800 but after looking very hard you could see slightly more detail,
whether at normal viewing distance this would be apparent I don't know
but it was there and for me as I have a LX81 amp then the 2500 would be
fine as I could bitstream straight to the amp, again another star
performer.
Next up was the 3800, we were all looking forward to seeing this as at
around £1500 it's a significant price hike to anything else we'd seen
and personally I was interested to see if the Realta HQV processing
would alter things significantly. As soon as the 20th Century Fox logo
appeared it was obvious that there was a 3d effect we hadn't seen
before and the audio again seemed a step up, which personally I don't
understand as other than the PS3 all the players were bitstreaming to
the Susano and letting the amp do the work, I'm sure someone who is
more technical than me can describe why this was the case. Anyway the
3800 really did offer a superb picture, there was amazing depth and
clarity to the image which we hadn't seen before, excellent fine detail
retrieval and brilliant detail from the dark areas, on the cheaper
players the shadows were blocks of black with no detail but when going
up the price range you could see more and more detail becomming
apparent which I guess all add to help create the pop to the image,
whether this overall increase in picture and sound quality to the 2500
is worth twice the price each individual would have to decide after a
demo but the differences are definately there.
Finally after hours of watching will Smith wake up we tried the Pioneer
LX51 and 71, Basically we couldn't see any real difference between
these 2 players which begs the question were does your extra money go
on the 71, maybe it will be in the upscaling of SD, maybe the audio
components are of a better quality, obviously you get more bling on the
71 with gold plated connectors and silver trim but on picture quality
alone they look identical, so how did they compare to the Denons, Well
I'm a bit of a Pioneer fan but I have to say I definately prefer the
image the Denon produces, even on the 1800 which I guess is their
nearest competitor, at first we thought the Pioneers were producing
better shadow detail but when going onto view further scenes I noticed
the image looked brighter, slightly bleeched as if the contrast had
been whacked up, Phil explained to me that he thought the Gamma looked
slightly out, either way there is definately a difference and I found
the Denons produced a more natural looking picture, Saying that the
Pioneers were still in a different class to the budget players in
detail levels and again offered that 3d image that the budgets couldn't
produce, also the Pioneers could quite match the punchy sound of the
Denons, well the 3800 at least.
So to sum up I think it went as I thought it would, you do get what you
pay for but that there now is a player for everyones budget which has
got to be great for Blu Ray as a product. I think the biggest shock was
just how good the Bush was as none of us expected much and personally
just how bad the PS3 was at fine detail. For me I'll be checking out
the Pioneer LX91 hopefully over the weeekend which I really want to be
amazing as it will intergrate into my setup perfectly, but after last
night it really has got a lot to prove to knock off the 3800 from the
top of the Blu Ray hill.
Hope I haven't rambled on too long, thanks again to everyone involved
last night for giving me the oppotunity to see for myself that not all
Blu Ray players are the same, I don't know how they do it but there
really is significant differences between all the players on both the
picture and audio front, I guess the only way to know what is right for
you is to audition the different players for yourself and make your own
mind up, but at the moment a 3800 will be joining my setup.
Cheers.
Redigeret af henrik-t - 23-December-2008 kl. 20:26
Så det Testet Bluray er bedre i dyre Afsp
Emne-funktioner
henrik-t skrev:
